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Episode 21 - Happenings


Stylized globe with a continents made of cannabis flower.

In this episode, Scott and Miranda discuss cannabis happenings the world over including Thailand's grow-ur-own-weed program and impending legalization in Germany!




Transcript


[MUSIC: "Happenings 10 Years Ago" by The Yardbirds]


Miranda 0:13

Hello, and welcome to The Heady Conversations with Scott and Miranda.


Scott 0:17

That's us. Welcome back, folks. Welcome to the month of June because that's where we're at now. When you are listening to this episode.


Miranda 0:29

Here we are. It's the wrap up episode time to talk about politics, national, international, new up and coming things.


Scott 0:39

Happenings.


Miranda 0:40

Happenings.


Scott 0:40

All the happenings, the what's abouts and the yeah.


Miranda 0:47

Get hip to this, jawn.


Scott 0:49

There you go. So there's always a ton of stuff going on in the world of cannabis, more and more every day.


Miranda 0:59

More and more in the world every day, as opposed just our backyard.


Scott 1:02

True that and that is very exciting. For me as a international traveler. Yeah, there are a number of international stories that we will be touching on. The first of which is just a mention. The Health Minister of Germany, came out this week and went ahead and said, we're moving forward. That's pretty much all he said.


Miranda 1:31

Super!


Scott 1:31

Super, das ist gud. I am actually over in Germany when this episode is airing. So it would be absolutely fantastic for me if there were recreational cannabis that I can enjoy. While I'm over there, because I'm not looking forward to this two and a half week break that I'm about to take, unintentionally. But that's fine. It's good to take breaks every now and then that's just a long time with no cannabis.


Miranda 2:04

Just have to get some Light Bud when you get back.


Scott 2:07

Yeah, the tolerance break will be very real. I haven't done a tolerance break this long. Well, in over a year, because last year, I did most of March, and then part of April two, it was almost a full month that I did in like two little chunks. But it's been a while since I've done the tolerance break. So anyway, it'll be good. It would be very nice if I had the option while I was hanging out with my great friends in Germany, to be able to walk down the street and pick up a bag or tin or whatever, have some something pre roll maybe and enjoy, you know, with with my German friends. But yeah, good to know that they are still, you know, making progress, or at least planning to start making progress on this issue soon because it was a big part of the last German election is that they announced that they were going to be doing this. Germany, as you might imagine, is a very traditionally alcohol centric, very country, especially the area where my friends live is part of Bavaria. There is no tax on beer and booze in Bavaria, or at least in the area of Bavaria where they are. I don't they might yell at me now. Actually, I don't think they listen to the show. But if they did, they might yell at me because maybe I'm getting this wrong, but it might just be their particular area of Bavaria but--


Miranda 3:49

Area of Bavaria.


Scott 3:50

Area of Bavaria.


Miranda 3:52

Sorry.


Miranda 3:52

But yeah, there's, as you might imagine, you know, the cannabis industry has faced some anti cannabis lobbying from the beer and alcohol industry in many parts of the world but especially in a place like Germany that's you know, rooted in their behinds Go button and you know, the purity laws and everything that revolve around their their beer and their spirits. It's It's very cool to see them beginning to open up to the world of cannabis and as one of the biggest economies in Germany, and one of the largest countries. Sorry, as one of the biggest economies in the European Union, and one of the largest countries in the European Union. As goes Germany probably goes Europe in a lot of cases.


Miranda 4:46

Yeah, I would. I would agree with that, wholeheartedly.


Scott 4:49

Does that mean that every country is going to you know, then go ahead and go with adult use once Germany does? No, not necessarily, but I think it starts to increase our odds quite a bit.


Miranda 5:01

Yeah, for sure. I would like to see the rest of Europe just sort of say fuck it and go at it.


Scott 5:07

I mean, you know, Portugal proved a long time ago.


Miranda 5:13

Seriously.


Scott 5:14

That treating drugs like a drug addiction as a health crisis rather than a stigma or legal issue. And, you know, giving people education and resources to know what they're getting to use safely to seek out help if they feel like they need it. Absolutely is a much better way to go.


Miranda 5:42

You know, how I feel about safe use and safe places and safe houses to use. So, yeah, it's very important.


Scott 5:50

So yeah, you would you would think that having you know countries, I mean, Amsterdam isn't the best example to use because they're, you know, Amsterdam goes back and forth. It gets, it gets more conservative, it gets more progressive. depending on who's in power. There's, you know, typically it kind of ebbs and flows between a loosening of regulation and then they kind of have a real Yeah, reaction where they feel like it's gone too far. And they reel it back in. But, you know, I've been to Amsterdam a few times. There are definitely lots of Americans, specifically, but I'm sure people from all over the world. I've definitely met rowdy Ozzies.


Miranda 6:36

Well, that's just blood.


Scott 6:38

Rowdy Irishman, Scotsman in Amsterdam. There are definitely people that go there and get a little too wild. There are some people that go there and get way too wild. So, you know, I get it. There are definitely pros and cons to having your place. But if it was, you know, decriminalized or legalized across all of the European Union, then you wouldn't have all these people flocking to Amsterdam.


Miranda 7:07

Exactly. For a good time. Are they maybe they might still, because it's like, you know.


Scott 7:14

But it wouldn't be the only place. I mean, if if people wanted to experiment, because that's the thing. You get people acting a fool when they're inexperienced. And they don't really know what their I mean, I know. The first piece of space cake. I had an Amsterdam laid us out. Me and the old roommate, Chris McGarvey. What's up Goggles?


Miranda 7:37

Oh, God bless, Chris.


Scott 7:39

Yeah, we, we were over there and I got a piece of space cake at one of the dispensaries It was literally a slice of cake. You know, like, a big old hunk of cake. And he and I split it when we got back to the, the hotel where we were staying at the time we were out of the hostel at that point. This hotel was wild. It was overtop of a bar. And it was this super narrow staircase of these super short stairs. Very tall. Yeah. Not the kind of


Miranda 8:12

Mountain goating.


Scott 8:14

Where are you, exactly. Yes. There was bleeting involved. But like bleep Bl E anyway. bleeding, bleeting.


Miranda 8:27

Yeah, like high on the hills with a lonely goat herd.


Scott 8:30

Right? Yeah. Yeah, we got way fucked up. If you've ever been to Amsterdam, you can flip through and there's a channel where I don't know if there still is. But back in 2001 or 2002. I don't remember. There was a channel on television that you could watch. That was the closed caption TV. And it would bounce around between all the different tram stations. I guess so you could see if they were busy. I don't know if it's just like a voyeur thing. It felt very big brother to me. But we got so high. And we were watching Cartoon Network and then you know, flipping the channels, and we ended up on the closed circuit stuff. And we talked about like, oh, we should walk down to the train station and see if we show up. But it was like Well, wait a minute, who's gonna stay in? I'm just gonna walk to the tram station. Like how are we going to know like, how are you going to? Like, I could just stand there for hours and then come back and you're like, No, it didn't happen. Oh, but it just showed that anyway, we got very high off that piece of space cake because what I'm saying.


Miranda 9:43

Literally alter alternate dimension shit right there.


Scott 9:47

If people have ability to experiment with these things in their own backyard, they wouldn't be having their first experience.


Miranda 9:56

That's very true.


Scott 9:57

In Amsterdam, necessarily and Anyway, so that's Germany. And we wish them well and Godspeed. Yeah, I can't wait to smoke some legal cannabis in Germany with my friends.


Miranda 10:17

Thailand is doing some big stuff. So they're giving away a million free plants right there people to grow.


Scott 10:25

So again, this is the Health Minister. I love the fact that it's the Health Ministers.


Miranda 10:30

Yeah.


Scott 10:30

Right in all the places, right? Because that tends to indicate to me even even if it's not specifically for medicinal. When you're talking about mind altering.


Miranda 10:46

It still benefits your health.


Scott 10:48

It well, not only does it benefit your health, but I think it's important to talk about it in scientific terms in educational terms in educated terms.


Miranda 10:59

Yeah.


Scott 10:59

Right. You don't you don't ya don't really want this stuff being handled by the Bureau of Alcohol and Tobacco and Firearms, you don't necessarily want this being handled by the Drug Enforcement Agency now handled by your Health Ministers. People are, you know, at the root of it. Ideally, using cannabis to as part of an entourage approach to better health, better health and wellness, whether that's mental, whether that's physical, whether it's just to Yeah, just to unwind, even if it's just that casual of the quote, unquote, medical effect of, you know, being destressed.


Miranda 11:46

Again, booze was medicinal.


Scott 11:47

Yeah.


Miranda 11:49

For the longest time.


Scott 11:49

And probably less issues with drunk driving and spousal abuse, and you know, all the negative aspects that can come with, yeah, over intoxication, or not even over intoxication, but people who just shouldn't have alcohol to begin with, period, you know, whether it's genetic disposition, or whether it's because of emotional or mental, you know, being unwell or unstable.


Miranda 12:23

Yeah, it's all wellness and all part of health.


Scott 12:26

So, we might, we might live in, I am not one of these people. There are a lot of people that you will encounter online and in this industry, well, not even necessarily in the actual quote unquote, industry. More so the gray market, or black market or green Market, however you want to call it, that say there should be zero, you know, control, checks and balances.


Miranda 12:55

Right, right. Right.


Scott 12:56

You know, it's just a plant. The government has no business to tell me what to do with it. I don't necessarily go that far, personally. I don't think that the government has to require me to test my plants. No, I don't think that the government should put ridiculous plant counts on people, you know, for sure, that's ridiculous places where you can only grow four or even six plants, to me, is that quote unquote, enough? Sure. You know, if you take your time and really know what you're doing, and you know, spend the time to get educated and put your your time and money and attention and energy into growing, you know, great cannabis, absolutely, you can grow. You can produce enough cannabis off of, you know, four to six plants to keep most people good for, you know, the amount of time that a grower take you to grow it back, grow those plants, and then care for them afterwards. But at the same time, you know, I'm a man who loves variety. Yeah, how I mean, I personally like to have anywhere between, you know, four to 14 strains at any given time, goodness, you know, and I might only have one or two grams left of that thing, but I want it because as I've said many times, on this show, I use cannabis specific strains for very specific purposes. Same, right. So anyway, I feel like it would be better if we have the ability to grow 12 to 20 plants per person, because I think that accounts for things like mother plants and oh, yeah, cloning and you know, phyno hunting, you know.


Miranda 14:58

oh, phyno hunting.


Scott 14:59

Yeah. Uh, you know, making making our own stuff. Yeah. Oh, good group. There's that's part of the fun of it, right? I mean, I think if you're a home brewer in the beer world, part of the fun of that is, you know, playing and tinkering with different styles and different aspects of different brews.


Miranda 15:18

Why not do the same with cannabis?


Scott 15:19

Yeah, I imagine, you know, of course, you're gonna probably at least speaking for myself, you know, when it is finally legal for us to grow. I definitely have some some seeds that I've picked out of, you know, medical product along the way or been gifted from folks who have found seeds and medical product along the way. But I also intend to probably buy some auto flower or, you know, feminized.


Miranda 15:47

Yust to make it easy for yourself. First grow.


Scott 15:49

Yeah, try to eliminate as many--


Scott 15:52

Obstacles or variables, right. Yeah, as possible. Right. So you know, okay, well, shit, you know, the seeds were good. They sprouted right away. So it wasn't a problem with them. It must have been a problem with my nutrient, right, my light or whatever. It can get real technical, real quick. But anyway, I, I don't think that there should be no regulation at all on cannabis. I do believe in some cannabis regulation. I just don't think most of the regulations that exist are necessary.


Miranda 16:26

No, 100%. I mean, we were just talking before about how I was like, oh, Joe at the farmers market. I wish it was like that. I kind of do, right? Like that, to me is an ideal world where I can just go and buy from somebody who's got some really amazing product. But it's not probably not going to happen in the United States, at least.


Scott 16:50

Well, funny, you should say that. Oh, one of the things on my list, you know, California, not to get away from the international market right now. But yeah, Health Minister of Thailand, given away a million plants come June. So that basically everybody can be introduced to the medicinal values of cannabis, and get invested in what they first see as being a fantastic not only benefit to the people of Thailand, but potentially this huge crop, that they can then market to the rest of the world.


Miranda 17:27

And probably tourists as well.


Scott 17:29

I mean, absolutely. So it's interesting to see. But yeah, speaking on the the farmers markets really quickly, you know, cannabis in California went through a lot of changes this past it sort of, and the taxation issue was a big was a huge one. Right? A lot of companies shut down because of it. A lot of companies are really struggling, you've seen and a huge uptick in the amount of illegal smuggling of what was probably intended to be grown as legal crap in California, right, because their market has crashed so much people are now smuggling flower out to sell throughout the rest of the country. And wow, we internationally too. But anyway, one of the things that they are considering, and I think at least one jurisdiction has gone ahead and approved is growers being able to sell direct to consumer? Now I don't think it's okay. existing markets, per se, I was a specific like cannabis market that they're talking to even sell a few times a year. Can you imagine?


Miranda 18:43

Yes!


Scott 18:43

I would. I would absolutely love that experience.


Miranda 18:48

Yes.


Scott 18:49

Of, you know, you? I would think it's probably somewhere out in the country. You're probably taking a nice little drive through some winding Hill. Yeah. Why don't you go and there's X amount of vendors in there with just giant buckets, full buckets full of cannabis.


Miranda 19:07

Oh, my God.


Scott 19:09

And you know, they're still required to have their, you know, attestations testing and all that stuff. But yeah. So who knows? California for California has been at this for you know, almost 30 years now. But if they're doing it they're reliable to see it.


Miranda 19:32

Fingers crossed.


Scott 19:33

In other markets eventually, Maryland, I doubt it.


Miranda 19:36

Yeah.


Scott 19:37

But yeah, the other thing internationally getting back to that real quick, wanted to talk about were some things from our, our friendly neighbor to the north eh?


Miranda 19:48

Sweet, sweet tender children. Yeah, so so there's some problems in British Columbia.


Scott 19:55

Yeah. A bunch of corporate cannabis located nations in British Columbia specifically have gotten together and are pursuing legal action against indigenous peoples of Canada that are selling cannabis on reservations.


Miranda 20:19

Yeah.


Scott 20:21

Or their word for reservation. i Oh, I think it is still reservation. Sorry. Anyway, I digress.


Miranda 20:30

Yeah. So that's really super uncool. Right.


Scott 20:35

I mean, I guess it makes me No, it doesn't. It doesn't make me feel any better. No, that racist cannabis practices are happening elsewhere in the world, too. I mean, obviously, we've talked about if you think that indigenous peoples in Canada haven't been negatively affected by the racist war on drugs, right, I will not tell you that it is to the extent of those practices as here in the US. You know, I don't I don't think.


Miranda 21:09

But we also don't know.


Scott 21:11

Well, yeah, I, I feel like we would hear about it more. But yeah, it's definitely it's definitely cannabis is treated as something to control people all over the world, and people with darker complexions, whether they're black, brown, white, you know, the darker you are, the worse, you're treated just about everybody.


Miranda 21:39

You'll get no argument from me on that. But yeah, they're targeting these indigenous grows, essentially.


Scott 21:47

Yeah. So basically, the people of the reservations have said, because we operate under our, you know, it's a similar law, to the US reservation system where they are governed by their own laws and practices. They have, you know, kind of bypassed the structure of--


Miranda 22:11

The industry, the industry.


Scott 22:12

Yeah, the Canadian industry and said, hey, you know, this is plant medicine. And this is something that our people have experience with and something that we can, you know, grow on our land using these regenerative Yeah. And no practices that we use to grow all of our crops, and the Canadian people should have the ability to come on the reservation and support us and our business and buy our flower.


Miranda 22:13

And big cannabis said, no.


Scott 22:15

Right. So a bunch of these different, you know, what are essentially MSOs, up in the Canadian industry, banded together to sue the Canadian government into going on to the reservations and enforcing the Canadian law cannabis laws. So this has been talked about, thankfully, shout out to all the Canadian cannabis creators that are drawing attention to this issue, because surely, we would not have necessarily heard about it as quickly or as much as we have. If it weren't for people like The Different Collective, absolutely, you know, Tom, and James, etc, that have drawn an issue, you're drawn attention to this issue and called for boycotts of these locations that are pursuing this legal action. And, you know, you vote with your wallet, we say it again and again and again. So the best way to let a company know that you are unhappy with the practices that they are pursuing is to stop buying from them.


Miranda 23:51

Don't buy their weed.


Scott 23:53

And also send them a sternly worded letter.


Miranda 23:56

Yeah.


Scott 23:57

Or, you know, make snarky comments on their social media. Because people seem to love to do that. But yeah, so not cool. Canada, not cool Canadian cannabis companies back off.


Miranda 24:16

Yeah. You know, let the indigenous people have had their, their life. Let them be let them grow their weed and sell it.


Scott 24:25

Let them live off the land.


Miranda 24:27

Let them live off their land.


Scott 24:29

Right. Yeah, mind your biz, if people want to go there and buy the smoke. I mean, should they get the stuff tested? Should they let people know what they're buying? Yeah, probably. But again, if they're using you know, regenerative practices and you know, growing things organic and with the sun and I mean, even if they're not, even if it's hydro, people can still make their own choice.


Miranda 24:55

Exactly.


Scott 24:55

To go purchase that cannabis or not, and if Corporate cannabis is worried about their lack of, or their loss of market share because of those reservations. They should figure out why people are going to the reservations instead of coming to them.


Miranda 25:13

Yep.


Scott 25:13

Step up your game shawty.


Miranda 25:16

On the opposite side of things. Plus side in Toronto, you can now get weed DoorDash to your apartment or domicile.


Scott 25:26

Yeah. DoorDash is now partnering up with Canadian dispensaries to add the ability to be delivered cannabis through their services,


Miranda 25:37

Which honestly, awesome. Yeah, I really hope that they're taking extra precautions to protect protect their drivers.


Scott 25:45

Well, I don't think because it is nationally legal. And I don't think they have the financial restrictions that we do.


Miranda 25:56

Oh, right on.


Scott 25:57

I don't believe that you have to pay for cannabis with cash in Canada. All right on I could be mistaken. Please correct us if we're wrong, Tom, James.


Miranda 26:07

Also just this the simple fact that people knocking over a DoorDash driver to get cannabis from them.


Scott 26:13

You're not wrong there.


Miranda 26:14

I mean, we just we live in Baltimore. This is sadly how our brains work.


Scott 26:21

Yes. We are accustomed to being cautious and careful and...


Miranda 26:27

Yes. Aware. Um, but yeah, just that's just how my brain works, sadly, right. In this world.


Scott 26:37

Hopefully, not as big of an issue. I know Toronto definitely does have some rough spots for sure. But yeah, hopefully, they're like you said the drivers are safe and, and secure. But yeah, cool to know. And probably something I could see. I mean, we already know, I know, there's, you know, delivery services in California and have been for a long time. There's illegal delivery services in New York. There's questionable delivery services in DC.


Miranda 27:07

We have some delivery services in Maryland.


Scott 27:10

We do and some of them do deliver to Baltimore?


Miranda 27:14

Absolutely.


Scott 27:15

I think limited area and timeframe and things like that. But it is possible to get delivery in Baltimore, for sure. But where you can't just throw it on your DoorDash order, you can't order a pizza or a six pack and some smoke. Or some edibles or whatever.


Miranda 27:35

How nice would that be?


Scott 27:36

Amazing. Soon, I'm sure.


Miranda 27:39

Dream in the future.


Scott 27:41

But yeah, that's kind of the the international look for right now. If you know of an international story that we missed that you want us to talk about, or whatever,


Miranda 27:49

Let us know!


Scott 27:50

Let us know. We always love the feedback. We welcome it at all times. So moving on here to the US kind of the natural, kind of bigger picture overview. We have the US Attorney General recently come out and say that, basically enforcing federal cannabis laws and going after people for cannabis is a waste of your resources.


Miranda 28:16

It's silly.


Scott 28:16

Yeah. So my guess is personally and the article that I read about this didn't even specifically mention it. But to me, you've had some pretty high profile cases recently where very big convictions have come down. But also just some ridiculous arrests have been made. Because, you know, we're now at a point where, as we've discussed, you've got 20 some states that have some form of either adult use or medicinal program. And then you have all these states right next door that don't, right. So like for instance, in Texas, right, you've got individual locales that are now starting to take kind of council votes and decriminalize the plant in certain areas like Austin recently voted to decriminalize possession, and also at the same time, get rid of no knock warrants. But anyway, lots of places in Texas, obviously still very, very strict about rights laws. You had the young brothers recently that were driving back from a trip to Colorado to celebrate. I can't remember if it was graduation or somebody's birthday or what it was, but they're driving home from Colorado. They ended up getting stopped in this little town of Texas and sure enough, they had brought back a bunch of edibles and I mean it was a decent amount of edibles. But they were probably not bringing them back for sale. Maybe that's me being naive.


Miranda 29:58

but they're probably bringing them back for personal use. Yeah. To have them around.


Scott 30:04

Yeah, relax and have a good time. I mean, it wasn't like, you know, pounds and pounds and pounds it was it was a bunch of bars. Yeah. But regardless, you know, basically these state troopers, these little towns in Texas have said Because New Mexico has now legal right? And look, if you look at the sales numbers for New Mexico in the first month, they did 22 million. That ain't just New Mexico. There people coming across the border from Texas, and buying flower and their damn shirt, not smoking all that flower in New Mexico before you go back home.


Miranda 30:46

And like we talked about in the last episode, and just how you know, cannabis travel for cannabis, you're gonna go, you're gonna have a good time 99% of the time, you're gonna want to bring a little of that experience back home with you. And if it was legal everywhere, that wouldn't happen.


Scott 31:05

I mean, I know we just got off the international but we've mentioned before, one of the benefits of national legalization up in Canada is that you can fly with your medicine. Yeah, you don't you can, I should say you can legally fly with your son. Because we all know plenty of people fly with their medicine here in the States. But it is technically against the law. Every single state tells you that it is illegal for you to travel across state lines with your medicine.


Miranda 31:36

Yep.


Scott 31:38

Because at this point, it's a states rights issue. It is still federally illegal. So once you cross state lines, you are now trafficking.


Miranda 31:46

Yep.


Scott 31:47

So as ridiculous as that is.


Miranda 31:51

It's insane.


Scott 31:52

But yeah, so my my wonder is, did the Attorney General go out of his way to state that now to try to stem the abuse of selective enforcement and heightened enforcement, as these little Podunk border towns go HAM probably on trying to take advantage of people coming back from wherever enjoying their good time?


Miranda 32:19

Probably.


Scott 32:22

I don't think Oklahoma has recreational I think Oklahoma, they're just medicinal. I think you have to go through Oklahoma and get to somewhere else. But but still New Mexico is right across the street for a lot of people. Interesting to know, and our any, any federal movement is, you know, good federal movement, basically.


Miranda 32:46

Especially in the decriminalization and arrest situation, because that's just absurd at this point. Right. And especially with cannabis tourism becoming as popular as it has been.


Scott 33:02

Surely, yeah, it it doesn't make sense. So what else? That's that's the kind of national view in the States. We've got everything from labor news from Oregon, where we had a walkout in Gresham, Oregon, bunch of cultivators were organized and trying to organize and getting some union busting pressure and decided to walk out on the job.


Miranda 33:42

Good for you guys.


Scott 33:44

Yeah, you know, again, we support workers rights, especially in cannabis, but also everywhere. So yeah, if you are in the industry, and you are interested in learning more about unions, just Google it, it's there for you figure it out. Talk to your co workers about whether union might be right for you all. I saw some interesting talk. online this week, when somebody was discussing this walkout about their displeasure with the union that was representing them at whatever grow they were working at in Illinois, and discussing that there should be a specific cannabis union. There's something like like the Amazon workers, you know, yeah, spoke up and, and stood up and said, hey, you know, what, we do want to unionize. But none of these unions directly or specifically represent, you know, the things we care about or that we're most concerned about. We're just going to do our own thing.


Miranda 34:52

Yeah.


Scott 34:53

So interesting conversation to have for sure.


Miranda 34:57

It needs to happen.


Scott 34:58

You know, I mean, there There are definitely very specific challenges in cannabis. I think because of the history of the war on drugs, there are concerns about equity and equality as we discuss all the time that just need to be addressed and need to be present in the commercial cannabis industry. So the best way for those things to be addressed is for the workers that are, you know, in the industry, and generally make up the customers in the industry as well. To be involved.


Miranda 35:39

Absolutely. And we all know how we feel about like, you know, dispensaries owned by workers, etc. We've had that conversation.


Scott 35:49

Pro worker owned, regardless of the industry.


Miranda 35:52

Yeah, yeah, for sure.


Scott 35:54

But it generally in cannabis, I feel like if you're talking about workaround, you're talking about patient focused, or user, or a smoker, or however you want to phrase it focused, which is, you know, the more it's about the people using the plant, I think, the better the plant is going to be, the better the definitely, packaging is going to be, the better, you know.


Miranda 36:21

Again, the more there's an the more that there is an established community in this industry, the better off we'll be.


Scott 36:29

Yeah, we're gonna be talking to Chris Becker from the honey bee collective coming up here on an episode soon about their employee owned collective structured company out in Colorado and what they're doing, basically because they saw...


Miranda 36:47

They saw the shithouse that corporate cannabis is and decided to do their own thing.


Scott 36:54

Yeah. And specifically to do their own thing with a focus towards sustainability and regenerative practices and yeah, not not only you know, product sustainability but sustainable work life balance it


Miranda 37:15

Yeah.


Scott 37:15

And lifestyles for the people that are involved with the company.


Miranda 37:19

Sustainability doesn't just mean plants and packaging it means people right? Because we can only withstand so much.


Scott 37:31

Yeah, this whole corporate commercial capitalist you know, valuing product and profit over everything else, over people. Well, how's that working for us?


Miranda 37:43

Yeah, it's getting a little grumpy over here for a second. Vermont decided to cap their their concentrates at 60% THC, which is an interesting move.


Scott 38:00

Yeah, very interesting. You know, I mean, we just talked about I don't support no regulation for the cannabis market but this strikes me as over regulation over regulation.


Miranda 38:17

I'm of two minds on this.


Scott 38:19

Of course.


Miranda 38:20

I'm like as I am an apt to do I really I feel like there should be honestly regulation and there should be numbers on things. At what point do you need so much THC? And I'm only I'm speaking as someone who does use concentrates. And but yeah, at what point does it need to be 97% THC?


Scott 38:52

Right.


Miranda 38:54

I'm flabbergasted and sort of confused by that.


Scott 39:00

Yeah. And as you said, I'm of two minds it's a it's a complex issue because as you know, we you know stress to people all the time you should be going for the entourage effect.


Miranda 39:13

Exactly.


Scott 39:14

You know, more often than not the entourage effect of THC, terps. other cannabinoids etc. is going to give you a better experience a more manageable experience.


Miranda 39:28

Yeah, more I don't know a more full and holistic experience.


Scott 39:35

Yeah, a more natural experience to you know, I mean, we we talked about how even landrace strains right have been bred to create more THC, more predictive a et cetera. So even smoking street flower at this point, you're still smoking a a product that has been geared to create a very intense experience, you know, compared to where cannabis was. I mean, just 20 short years ago, but especially even 40 or 50 years ago, right? You know, I mean, you're talking about THC levels that are two to--


Miranda 39:45

8%?


Scott 39:46

Well, I mean, I was gonna say just two to 10 times stronger.


Miranda 40:30

Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, no, I gotcha.


Scott 40:32

Then what people were dealing with back then. Right?


Miranda 40:34

Oh, yeah.


Scott 40:35

So if you were dealing with, let's say, a really good strain back in the 70's, having 8% to 12% THC may be your that would be, that would be a high CBD strain, right? Or a ratio strain now would be like an 8% to 12%. Within, you know, hopefully, if it's some good stuff, like 18% to 30% CBD or something like that. But anyway, not not that most people in the medical market actually pay attention to CBG flower CBD flower. But if they did, yeah, it's it's just a it's a different experience. So while I do understand that that natural instinct might be to say that 97% is too high. I also am sympathetic to people that deal with super intense pain disorders, or No, I get even emotional disorders. I mean, things like the seizures, things like it specifically trying to shrink tumors and you know, fight off cancer or even cancer symptom. I can't put myself in anybody else's shoes. At the end of the day, you know, I think things like heroin have medicinal benefits. Sure. Yeah. So I'm, I'm hesitant to ever say that stronger than anyone needs. Yeah. You know, I do things or I did things as a cocktail bartender with Everclear on a regular basis, right? To use it to make tinctures, shrubs, et cetera. You know, mix it with mascerated fruit to whatever anyway, the point being at one point in time, they made it illegal for you to get that, yeah, you basically could not get grain alcohol, the price went through the roof. You know, it's just a whole mess. You can't, you shouldn't try to legislate morality, when it comes to what people do to enjoy themselves. But also, you know, medicinally speaking personally, I think there are people out there that need those strong medicines.


Miranda 43:05

Oh, I don't I don't disagree with that at all. So I think in a in a rec / adult use market 60% is fine.


Scott 43:14

That's if that's the you know, if that's the limitation of the law, then then I feel differently about it. But I think just generally speaking, if that's just across the board, you know, you're not getting anything in Vermont stronger than 60%. I'm not super into that. I would like people to be able to get their RSO at, you know, 90% If that's what they need for their nerve pain.


Miranda 43:40

I'm trying to think when the last time I saw RSO at 90%.


Scott 43:42

I, you know, and obviously, I'm just pulling that number out of thin air, but certainly there are plenty of RSOs that are well over 60% regularly.


Miranda 43:56

Not not in a while.


Scott 43:59

I mean, I don't buy RSO. But when I was budtending there were plenty of RSOs that were in the 70s and 80s. on a pretty regular basis.


Miranda 44:08

Interesting, because I haven't seen anything above 68% in a while. Yeah, I mean, well, I could be super wrong on that. But I haven't seen anything above 68%.


Scott 44:16

Neither of us has budtended in a while. Well, but you know, yeah, I know that I saw them for sure. Because I was guiding people on making sure something Yeah. And explaining dosages to them. But yeah, anyway, I feel like this product should be available. I'm not super into this Vermont law. And I'm intrigued to read more about it. And to maybe get on some like Vermont message boards and see what patients are saying about it.


Miranda 44:46

That's a good question. Because I know a lot of Maryland page I mean, everybody's lobbying for higher THC. But again, what is what is what are they defining as a concentrate as well? Is it a smokeable content? Right. Is it RSO?


Scott 45:01

I mean, it was a picture of a cartridge in the article.


Miranda 45:06

Okay.


Scott 45:07

So, but I, you know, the wording is was was specific to concentrate and yeah concentrate can describe a lot of things. Yeah, I mean, you know, just to let for edibles is concentrated Yeah, you know. Anyway, interesting to note for sure. In positive legislative news we had a couple of different states move closer towards referendum. Yeah, Missouri just overachievers that they are.


Miranda 45:38

They really are. They literally really are showing you.


Scott 45:41

They doubled in the show me you know and look man, I guarantee you that state is more red than it is blue. So the people are overwhelmingly telling you what they want. I hope you're gonna go ahead and give it to him. But yeah, Missouri is moving forward with a referendum also, South Dakota move forward with putting a referendum to the people in November as well. So, Maryland, South Dakota, Missouri, the list keeps growing. Definitely, you know, positive progress when it comes to adult use, or recreational whichever term you prefer across the US.


Miranda 46:29

And Ohio sued the GOP over delayed referendum.


Scott 46:32

Yes. And that's interesting. That to me is phenomenal. Right, because I've talked about, we've talked about the fact that this is an issue that the Republican Party is well out of step with Americans on by and large, you know, some some?


Miranda 46:54

Again, it's morality.


Scott 46:55

Well, yeah. The overwhelming consensus in you know, survey after survey, is that anywhere between 60 to 90%, depending on whether you're talking about medicinal adult use, right, right, right. Just decriminalization, just rescheduling. It is it is an overwhelmingly supported policy by the people in the United States that cannabis should be federally illegal. Yeah, period. So if your representatives are continuously moving the goalposts on you know, whether it's a medicinal program, whether it's a adult use program, sue their asses!


Miranda 47:45

Get in there, mix it up!


Scott 47:47

This makes me wish that somebody in Maryland had done this years ago, because the Maryland medicinal industry has absolutely, in my opinion, bribed the Maryland legislature to not allow adult use market here.


Miranda 48:05

And limit home grow.


Scott 48:06

And limit home grow and all the other things that come with that for the last three years. Yeah, and I wish we had sued to get our referendum sooner. It's insane, because it's just ridiculous. People continue to be arrested for this plant in large numbers, and given absolutely ridiculous sentences. While people are making millions and billions of dollars, yep, it's it's pretty crazy, but also fairly unsurprising. As far as the United States goes.


Miranda 48:44

It's it was pretty spot on actually.


Scott 48:48

in more positive news, at least as far as ending the stigma and I guess normalizing the thought of cannabis as a part of your normal everyday life. We had a sponsorship of note in the professional sports world.


Miranda 49:09

Oh, yes.


Scott 49:11

And I mean, look, I don't want to do air quotes, but I'm kind of doing air quotes when I say professional sports. All my Frisbee buddies are gonna mean I just read Ultimate Frisbee. Yeah. All the Frisbee bros are gonna come at me now. Look, I'm not hating. I'm happy that ultimate frisbee is growing in popularity. It's been an enjoyable game, whenever I've played it, it's, you know, whatever. I'm not a big pro sports guy to begin with, but I do kind of support the more localized and more amateurish quote unquote, pro sports. When I do pro sports.


Miranda 49:54

Yeah. So local team sports.


Scott 49:57

Right on because those tend to be people that like live in the community, like real jobs doing other things as well. It tends to not be millionaires and billionaires. And I'm sure that ultimate frisbee falls into that category. But yes, Star Buds out in Colorado, a company that's an MSO. But a very different one. Star Buds is specifically just dispensaries. They don't grow or process.


Miranda 50:30

And they're also franchises. Right.


Scott 50:33

So you've got Star Buds that are corporately owned in Colorado and throughout the country. I think the last time I heard they're in, I don't know, almost 20 states now, something like that. Yeah, they're a little bit weird, because in some of the states where they operate, they're not called Star Buds. Because of licensing. Basically, Starbucks got sued at one point by Starbucks by Starbucks, because of the similarities in name and logo. And I think in some of the states, they had to stop using the Starbucks name temporarily, or maybe permanently anyway, regardless, their name is now featured prominently on the jersey of an ultimate Frisbee team out in Colorado. This is of note because it is the first in sponsorship pro sponsorship on a jersey, anywhere in the world. So kudos to Star Buds, I guess, for crossing that threshold and opening up some new horizons. Anything that ends the stigma of cannabis for me, if you're gonna have a bud logo on a jersey or? Well, I guess I should be more specific. If you can have a Budweiser logo on a jersey, then you should be able to have a bud logo on a jersey to agreed. And now 110%, whether I support that brand, or care about that sport, still Bravo.


Miranda 52:06

Else, oh, New York. New York awarded 88 licenses.


Scott 52:12

Yeah, they're up to 88. Now they awarded, I want to say it was an additional 34. I think they already had or maybe 33. They already had 50. Some to begin with. So obviously New York is going big. And that makes sense. New York's a big state.


Miranda 52:32

It is a big state. I was gonna say only 88 licenses for that entire state isn't a lot.


Scott 52:36

Well, I mean, I guess it depends on it's just the beginning, too. Right. I guess it depends on what those licenses are. That's true. Right? Because some of them are going to be grow licenses. Some of them are going to be processing and some of them are probably things like security and delivery. There's I didn't see a specific breakdown and Right, right, about what percentage of those licenses are what


Miranda 53:04

I was just trying to remember what they had predicted for Virginia for licenses at the beginning. And I believe it was like 111. So I'm surprised they haven't gone bigger in New York, just in general.


Scott 53:17

Virginia is going to have 111 licenses?


Miranda 53:20

It's like a liquor store. That was that was what I had heard back when everything was still going forward.


Scott 53:29

Yeah, I don't know.


Miranda 53:29

And now that everything is stalled, I don't know what's going on down there.


Scott 53:32

That's the first time I've heard a number that high, I would be flabbergasted if a state that tiny, gives out that many away.


Miranda 53:42

Well, that was the conversation it was that that's just essentially like corner liquor store.


Scott 53:46

Well, you know, again, the word license doesn't automatically mean dispensary. That's true, right? Because you have to get licensed to be a delivery driver. You have to give them reasons to provide security at cannabis locations. You have to be licensed to be a grower. You have to be licensed to be you know, like we we talked to Yeah, there are licenses for everything in cannabis. I don't know that testers need to be licensed but they probably do and either probably licensed in another capacity, even even brands that are just branding and don't ever touch the cannabis have to have licenses. So when you hear a number that Hi my first reaction is to think that's crazy high number but yes. You know, I don't know if maybe they have 20 different testing facilities.


Miranda 54:48

Yeah, who knows? But good job New York.


Scott 54:52

Yeah, so far so good. And I mean, it definitely sounds like they're they're creating licenses for legacy people. They are creating licenses for people that are focusing on, you know, regenerative farming and all natural and things like that, you know, it definitely seems like they're already building craft cannabis in and equity in to their market, which is great to see.


Miranda 55:19

I agree.


Scott 55:20

You know, I mean, I guess we'll see when it's officially up and running. The proof is in the pudding. But yeah, in the meantime, it definitely sounds like they're making good progress. Just outside of New York in Dirty Jersey.


Miranda 55:39

The weeds legal.


Scott 55:41

weed is legal. And furthermore, the Attorney General came out and said that off duty cops are allowed to participate. Yep. Bravo.


Miranda 55:55

Yeah. I mean, I don't see any reason why an officer cannot partake.


Scott 56:03

Let's face it. No offense, they're doing more than weed. If you're a law enforcement officer listening to the show, I don't mean to offend you. But I also don't particularly care if I do. Most law enforcement officers could stand. unwind a little bit.


Miranda 56:21

Yeah.


Scott 56:23

And fucking relax. Yeah. I know, for a fact. Because I, as a bartender for 20 years came across many firefighters and law enforcement officers over the years, there is a huge, huge culture of things like steroids and speed. And, you know, quote, unquote, performance enhancing and field leveling. You know, basically, it's concerning, yeah, I have to be able to run and track down these people that I'm chasing. So I'm going to use this amphetamine or I'm going to use this thing to artificially pump up my body. Yeah, and those things can make you emotionally unstable.


Miranda 57:10

Yeah, and honestly, I'd much rather an officer smoke some weed and drink a beer. Yeah, I'd honestly much rather anybody with a firearm, smoke a smoke a joint than drink of beer.


Scott 57:23

Yeah, not to stereotype. But we know about the connections of alcohol and things like spousal abuse. Yeah. And those rates also tend to be high in regards to people who have high stress jobs as well. So, again, firefighters and police officers. I'm not saying all cops beat their wives. I'm not saying all cops are drunks. I'm saying there are a lot of drunk cops that beat their wives.


Miranda 57:52

So just smoke some weed instead. Jersey, Jersey, cops smoked some weed.


Scott 57:57

Spark it up! Go get some good shit now that it's legal for you to and do that. What else we've got copycat brands. Speaking of being federally legal, something that's very much not federally illegal for the most part. If you haven't seen it before, I don't know what rock you live under. But there's no shortage of kind of black market gray market sales that pop up as you scroll through Instagram when you're looking at cannabis accounts. And one of the big things in cannabis edibles is these knockoff brands.


Miranda 58:41

Oh yeah.


Scott 58:42

Right. So the packaging looks like an Oreo, goldfish. Goldfish, Sour Patch Kids, Nerds Rope--


Miranda 58:55

Gushers.


Scott 58:55

Flaming Hot Cheetos. You literally you name it. You know you can buy these packages online. People use distillate they spray the edibles they put them in the package. They sell them on the streets. Well, these brands are very pissed off.


Miranda 59:13

Yes.


Scott 59:15

So they're trying to go after these copycat brands and I guess go after because you can buy like I said, You can buy this packaging online. You can go on Amazon and buy there's a ton of it on Amazon 1000 You know, bags of empty Flaming Hot Cheetos and get yourself some distillate in theory and spread and you know, start your little cottage industry. But yeah, this this came into being I think specifically because there have been several different instances recently of like kids go into school with edibles and things like that. And it's happened quite a few times with these brands. quote unquote.


Miranda 1:00:01

Yeah, I want to say there was an incident instance where a child got into, wait here it is. Yeah, they got sick because they were in school and got into their teacher's Goldfish crackers.


Scott 1:00:19

Oh, geez, I didn't...


Miranda 1:00:20

Yeah. That was in Virginia.. That was in Virginia.


Scott 1:00:25

Yeah. Yeah, they had the one that I heard about was in Colorado, where a kid like took a bag of edibles.


Miranda 1:00:33

Oh, it was no it was it. It was a daycare.


Scott 1:00:36

In Virginia, yeah. Good times. Yeah, I mean, people we can't stress this enough. Be responsible.


Miranda 1:00:44

Yeah. In other words, a medical or or an adult use situation. Please keep your medicine and or adult use party favors away from dogs, cats and children.


Scott 1:00:57

Yeah. tobacco, alcohol, cannabis, anything. You know, you don't you don't want people to unknowingly. Or just people that are too young period to be exposed to something? Because you were irresponsible? Because, first of all, that's just an asshole thing to do. Nobody's consciousness should be altered, and should be without their consent, or is to experience an uncomfortable situation, or a state of being when they didn't expect it? Yeah. You know, I don't think it's funny when people tell me stories about oh, man, I dose this guy at a party or Oh, man, I you know, that's just, it's just not fun. What concentrates in the middle of the blunt and didn't tell anybody? No, that's not cool. That's not cool at all, you know, people should be informed about the things that they're using, and the way that they're using them and be able to, you know, make good decisions about what they're putting in their body. Agree. And so if you're withholding information from somebody, essentially, you're taking away their right to consent by you know, not giving them the full bit of information about what they're about to do. Yeah. So, yeah, don't do that. If you've got any of these copycat brands, obviously be careful with them and keep them away from children and keep them away from people who may not enjoy having a cannabis edible experience.


Miranda 1:02:42

I think that was the whole 10 milligram argument up in Canada to begin with was that they didn't want people to have access to higher doses, because people would think they were candy.


Scott 1:02:53

Yeah, I mean, I yeah, I think that's the argument everywhere.


Miranda 1:02:56

Yeah.


Scott 1:02:56

And I'm not I don't understand. I recently got into it with it into a guy on Facebook about, you know, he said, You know, I can't walk into a dispensary and buy a 500 milligram bar, good. You shouldn't be able to walk into a dispensary and buy a 500 milligram chocolate bar necessarily. You have the ability, using RSO


Miranda 1:03:27

to make 100 milligram capsules, five of them.


Scott 1:03:30

I mean, if you're using dosages, like those are really high doses. And and if if you don't think that's a high dose, you know, as a chef Brandon said, when we talk to him, you're an outlier. Yeah, and that's not I don't say that to shame you or to make, you know, nerd or, but you need to understand that when you talk to other people about cannabis. Speaking about a 500 milligram dose to your average person, that is a huge amount of cannabis for somebody to ingest at once. Yeah, even people that have very high smoking tolerances, that is a huge amount of cannabis to ingest at once.


Scott 1:04:12

I remember being in it was a conversation in a group somewhere, and somebody was inquiring about their edible journey and I was I clearly posted start with two and a half, five milligrams work your way up from there, see how you feel. And some guy who just came in it was like 300 milligrams, you should go with 300 milligrams, and I'm like, that's gonna lead her to be very uncomfortable.


Scott 1:04:39

I was told that I was fear mongering. When I said that you should be able to buy I think what they said is a brownie Actually, it wasn't even a chocolate bar because the chocolate bar I guess you could argue that a 500 milligram chocolate bar if there were like 10 squares on it, okay, do you milligrams per like, okay, at least then I still like I have to do like the Maryland law even though I don't love the the waste that it brings. But the individually wrapped pieces I say, yeah, those at least, you know, I've talked before about the fact that I'll take the top off a 10 of the Garcia picks and I can eat those picks. I'm trying to think of a number that doesn't make me sound like a monster. No, really, you can you could eat 10 of those picks real quick. Yeah. It doesn't hurt that they're delicious. Yeah. Whereas if something's individually wrapped, I feel like there's a little bit more of that mental barrier to help your willpower.


Miranda 1:05:39

Yeah, for sure.


Scott 1:05:41

Anyway, yeah, but


Miranda 1:05:44

Be responsible about your medicine or your fun. And keep it away from kids. End of story, period.


Scott 1:05:52

Amen. I think last but not least, on my list, at least, I don't know about you, but the expansion or possible, upcoming inclusion of Florida and Kentucky for research licenses. Yeah. When it comes to cannabis. As you know, we're both huge proponents of research and constantly we are saying that there needs to be more research. Yes, we do have a fair amount between, you know, different parts of the world like Israel and Canada at this point in Germany, and now in the US, but the more the merrier.


Miranda 1:06:37

I agree wholeheartedly. I wish there was I wish there was even more I mean, Why can't every state have have research licenses to do their own? I mean, why doesn't Hopkins have a bigger research?


Scott 1:06:47

Right, you know, we've, we've talked time and time again about cannabis being rescheduled? And I think that is, I know you had that was a rhetorical question. That is generally the answer to that question. Is the reason that we don't have more research is because it's still scheduled one, right. So I believe, yeah, all of those research samples need to go through the government at that point. And that obviously, limits what way you can have access to. But yeah, so that is in the news.


Miranda 1:07:24

Yeah, there's a lot going on.


Scott 1:07:26

As you can see lots of progress. Positive and negative. I think that's what we forgot to mention New Hampshire and South Carolina.


Miranda 1:07:37

Oh, yeah.


Scott 1:07:38

Did shoot down medical initiatives in those two states.


Miranda 1:07:43

Bless you.


Scott 1:07:45

Thank you. So yeah, I'm allergic to regressive cannabis policy clearly figured out South Carolina and New Hampshire.


Scott 1:07:55

Yeah, that's silly stuff.


Scott 1:07:55

Let the people have their way. At least give people a referendum like these other states are doing and let them decide for themselves. Stop standing in the way of the plant and progress.


Miranda 1:08:12

Yeah, I think that does it. There's, that's that's a lot.


Scott 1:08:17

That does it for me. That does it for us. Yeah. So next week, we are super excited. I mentioned briefly during this episode, that we will be talking to Chris Becker from the honeybee collective out in Colorado. So look forward to that.


Miranda 1:08:38

And don't forget that you can get 10% off of your Trichome Institute. classes with the code, "GETHEADY".


Scott 1:08:53

Yeah, that is going to be running out soon. So make sure you take advantage. Go get yourself some good cannabis education. Hopefully you have been participating in the scholarship that we're giving away and details about all that is listed on the website and the Instagram. And we'll figure out if timing is wrong. And we can cut that out if so. But yeah, otherwise, you know where to reach us. Please keep the feedback coming. You know, we love the interaction, and we greatly appreciate the support from you all. You can find me at Your Cannabis Coach on Instagram. You can find the show at the www.theheadyconversations.com And if you're looking for Miss Miranda.


Miranda 1:09:41

You can find me at Our Lady of Maryjane on Instagram. Yeah, go out and make a difference in the world somehow.


Scott 1:09:50

Be well to yourselves and each other.


Miranda 1:09:53

Damn, I'm fucking cranky today.


[MUSIC: "Happenings 10 Years Ago" by The Yardbirds]


Miranda 1:10:28

There's no dodging that mood. I'm sorry.





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