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Episode 4 - Who Let the Dogs Out?

Updated: Feb 9, 2022



German shepherd smiling in a field of hemp.


On this episode, Scott and Miranda talk to Jen Sturmer from Hummingbird Farms and Abby Diehl from Diehl's Produce and Sunny C's in an exclusive interview! They discuss growing hemp specifically for medical use CBD, how things are changing in the industry thanks to the moving target that is legislation and regulation, and even their dogs chime in!

Music:

"Atomic Dog" by George Clinton




Transcript

[MUSIC: "Atomic Dog" by George Clinton]


Miranda:


Hello and welcome to The Heady Conversations with Scott and Miranda!


Scott:


This week, we have a very special episode for you. It is our first interview episode. And we are super excited about the guests that we talked to this week. We had joining us from Hummingbird Botanicals, Jennifer Sturmer and from Sunny C's, Abby Diehl, also from Dehl's Produce and lots of other things. But yeah, the ladies joined us to talk about changes in the CBD legislation that are going to be effecting the strength of the product that can be produced, not only here in Maryland, but elsewhere in the country as well.


Miranda:

Yeah.


Scott:


And how that might affect the medicine that they're able to make from it. We also talked about you know, a little bit of Jennifer's background in the industry and how she and Abby got together to combine her CBD oils with Abby's produce to create these wonderful, super effective product. Yeah, super effective, super tasty. Sugar free options. But, yeah, you're going to hear about all that. Right now. Yeah,


Miranda:


Enjoy!


[TRANSITION SOUND: Beep followed by white noise]


Scott:

It's National CBD month. I read somewhere who knows who makes these things up? But yes, we're both big proponents of CBD as part of, you know, a full cannabis entourage effect. I use CBD as part of taking tolerance breaks when I want to get my THC levels back in check a little bit. So yeah, like I, you know, personally a lot of the CBD stuff that I had tried, I just didn't believe real thing. You know, I just hadn't had any effect from any of the products that I had tried. And then when we got your stuff, and I looked at the jar, I was like, you know, this looks as incredible as any of the flower on the wall, you know, I was really just blown away. So that's why we wanted to talk to you all specifically rather than just a CBD person. Because, you know, I use this flower. I believe in this flower. I know how good this flower is. And I love the Sunny C's. I use those all the time, too. I've now got my mom using the Sunny C's for her. And her anxiety, you know, so yeah, I mean, we you know, we're not sponsored by anybody. We're not necessarily looking for that right now. We're just, if we're talking about something-


Miranda:


It's because we love it.


Scott:


We believe in it and we love it, you know?


Abby:

So, anyway, about Jen's oil, to be honest, I think she's done an incredible job here. So I used to not be a CBD person until until her oil.


Scott:

So yeah, if you don't mind, I guess if we could get started there, Jen, with you. And like how you got involved in CBD and kind of you know where you're located and how you run the operation?


Jen:

Yep, well, we, when the 2014 2018 farm bill was passed. The state of Maryland, the Maryland Department of Agriculture came to all the farmers, not just me, but all the farmers and said, Hey, this is an interesting crop. You know, they were, they were promoting it. And they said, we don't think you should bet your whole farm on it. We think that it would be an interesting crop. So we were looking for something because we are hydroponic tomato farm. pesticide free. As matter of fact, Abby and her father have been like, as far I've ran the farm for 38 years, her dad was my one of my original customers. So, we've been farming for a for a long time committed to the pesticide free.


Abby:

Jen's one of the pioneers in the hydroponic tomato industry, really on the East Coast. She's a rock star.


Jen:

So well, I don't know about that. But in any case, we were looking for something because we put out 6 to 11 tons a week of tomatoes and my husband at this stage of the game was like, Oh, my God, Jen, I don't know if I can do another season lifting all these tomatoes, you know, picking them and loading them and all that.


Miranda:


Yeah.


Jen:


I mean, we know but it was just, he was doing a lot of the lifting. And so we said let's do this, you know, obviously lighter weight. Let's, let's give it a try. And it. It loved our system. So that's how we were able to grow such a potent crop.


Scott:


Wow.


Jen:


Because we did it just like we were growing the tomatoes, we thought well, let's just try it out. And so we did and we did we changed a little bit things in the environment, we actually were changing things more from energy saving, you know, because the tomatoes are very energy intensive. So we tried the the outside boundaries a little bit. And the first year we tried it, we were actually pretty pleased with it. That's why I don't know if you've ever tried any of our Purple Lifter. That was from our first round.


Miranda:


Delicious.


Jen:


Right. And that was bigger temperature gradients where I was trying to to save the money on that. Yeah, but so so then the next year, I had done more studying and reading about it. We didn't quite do those extremes in temperature. So we we've grown Lifter every year in our mix, but we didn't get Purple Lifter. Because we didn't do that that temperature gradient. So that was kind of interesting. But you know, that I feel that the real advantage that we had these three years of cropping is that we were able to grow under the research license.


Miranda:


Oh, nice.


Jen:


So I don't know if you guys know but that gives you a lot more leeway because it only goes on the Delta-9.


Miranda:


Right.


Jen:


So now with the new law set in stone that it has to be 0.3% total THC, I don't think anybody is going to be able to get these levels and all that until that law gets fixed. I mean, to tell you the truth, even if you added up all our cannabinoids, even if you went to the one, which is what they're trying to get it like the European standard, you're still not going to get that full maturity of the plant to express all that its potential is. And that's what's you know, obviously, from a growing point of view, very disappointing that we can't harvest the plant at its full potential, which is what we all know from you knowing the effectiveness of it, that our endocannabinoid system is benefiting from.


Scott:


Right


Miranda:


For sure.


Jen:


Is, you know, full terpene load, full cannabinoid load, whereas when you have to harvest early to meet the rule, you're not going to get

that.


Miranda:


Right.



Scott:


Okay. So that's that's how you control the, that level.


Jen:


That level because the genetic expression, the genetic, the genetics to grow at that low level, aren't there yet.


Scott:


Okay.


Jen:


Nobody's genetics, I mean, so this Lifter that we grew, this is from the Oregon CBD Company. So Oregon, obviously has been at this longer. And in the first year, we also grew the Denver Cherry Wine, which is from a Colorado company. Those were some of the oldest genetics that have been being made. And they're not there, you know, everything's going to express itself at higher levels than what the state is setting our state and the national rules, arbitrarily. Stupid, you know, that 0.3% is a stupid number. If you're using a medicine.


Scott:


Right.


Miranda:


We agree with you 100%?


Jen:


Well, I mean, it's just, in other words, this is going to be the first year that the that rule has to be followed-


Abby:


In Maryland.


Jen:


And right. And what that means is in some states have either adopted have their own plants like Maryland does, or they're saying, you're going to follow the USDA rule, which is basically what Maryland did the 0.3% total, it's not really any different. And you're going to be forced to test test test test, because the rule is in Maryland, now, I'm not sure about other states, I'm pretty sure the USDA is the same as that you test 30 days, you have a 30 day window to harvest the crop. So if you can test at that 0.3%, and then you add 30 more days, it's actually it's gonna swing higher.


Scott:

Like right. When you're when you're weighing in for a fight, right, you cut your weight, and then you eat a bunch of cheeseburgers before the fight the next day to try to build some bulk back up.


Jen:

That's very, very, very similar idea. But the problem is, is that you obviously can't sell it with that better COA a right, right and a half to sell it with the 0.3%, which means your cannabinoid load is going to be really low. Because I we played with it this year to try to figure it out. And when we did our early testing, it was negligible. And then when we finally harvested, it was on par with our first year's crop and was still over.


Scott:


Right?


Miranda:


Are you still growing hydroponically?


Jen:


I'm not I actually sold my farm. So I finished this year's crop, which we're just getting ready to offer now that we're curing. But Abby and I are working on working with somebody else. But I think that this year is not going to be I don't think it's going to be a good year for for the whole effort. Because I think it's going to be very difficult. Because if the farmer has to test every week, and let's just say like me, I grew seven different varieties. It becomes very expensive.


Miranda:

Absolutely it does.


Jen:

So, yeah, it's going to be it's going to be very difficult on the industry until the legislature can understand what we're talking about. And and that we need the science done to show what a valuable tool this medicine is that they want us to get the full expression


Scott:


Right, I don't know how many times a week I say to someone, you know, once national prohibition ends and we can start doing research. I say it literally-


Miranda:


All the time.


Scott:


Yeah. Dozens of conversations every week because really, you know, and we stress that to people all the time. We're not doctors. Here we are cannabis professionals, whatever that means. So you know, we work int the industry, we've taken the time to educate ourselves to the best of our ability with, you know, the resources that we have out there and the information that's out there now. But, you know, if you're being honest with yourself, we all have to admit that's very limited.


Miranda:


It is very limited.


Scott:


None of us know.


Abby:

It is. And I will say though, Jen is one of the I have to give her the credit, though, because she is a graduate from Tufts University and biology degree. Yeah. And she has been over again, 38 years and hydroponic tomatoes. And we've all know that tomatoes are the most similar the tomato plant is most similar to the cannabis plant. And coming to other fruits and vegetables. Yes. So Jen does have actually fantastic due to the fact that we do not have enough knowledge and is able to take the knowledge that she does have for the past 38 years. And plus some time before she even graduated, and be able to like kind of transfer that over in a really amazing way, which is why she's having the time that's testing the highest in the entire country. She's testing most people. And using Shaman, we've talked to Shaman and their highest testing have in the entire country was 38% out of Oregon at one point, and hers is testing over 37% CBD. And some of her strains is literally the highest I've seen in the country. And the feedback that we've been getting just incredible as you guys know, you've used it. But we've had people that have really debilitating arthritis and severe pain that have tried so many other methods of different relief and and Big Pharma and shots and, and all the things and this has been like this product, her oils, been one of the only things that have actually given them relief and been able to get them back to their daily routine, which is really incredible to hear. But yes, we need all the research. That's actually how Jen and I first started getting going we put together a team of because of the passion project, and we were going after, after learning this was back in 2019. But after learning about the University of Mississippi, and how that was the only, you know, the only possibility and access to buy cannabis for research and that it was testing, you know, 11%. And it was worse than anything else on the market and full of mold and awful we dove in. And we put together a team to apply for a cultivation to do research with the DEA. And unfortunately, the state of Maryland, there's a prerequisite that you had to have a cultivation license through your state first and in Maryland, was not quite on board thinking that it wouldn't happen. So we've been able to get that done with them in time. But I'm still not yet. But we'll see. They have given out a few more now server direction, but it's definitely been an [dogs barking] Sorry about that.


All:


[laughing]


Miranda:


We have three of them that could possibly pop off at any minute.


Scott:


We're all pet lovers here.


Abby:

He wants to speak up.


Scott:

Is there legislation in the works to correct this issue? Are there people that are, I mean, I'm sure you all are working on it. But you know, is there progress being made here? Do they understand? Are they starting to understand?


Abby:

We are working on it, but not quite yet. I mean, it's it's a long conversation to have, unfortunately.


Jen:

Yeah, I think that there is some legislation in the national level where they're, they're working on to that 1% especially, you know, the Colorado, Oregon and Kentucky people are very aware.


Scott:


Okay.


Jen:


It's absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is going to get anywhere with this from a medicine point of view. But they're making a huge push on the fiber and grain right now.


Scott:


Okay.


Jen:


I think that that's, you know, in reality, when Trump signed the bill, I think that that's what they were really thinking about. They weren't thinking that people we're gonna want to smoke this stuff.


Scott:


Right.


Jen:


And, and but we all know that there's real medicine here.


Miranda:


For sure.



Jen:


It just people haven't had been able to find out about yet.


Scott:


Right.


Jen:


And it is interesting, like you're saying, you know, being regular cannabis smokers, that the CBD plays its own role in the medicine part of it, because of the higher levels of the different kind of cannabinoids, each person each want, each of our ECS systems needs a different balance. It's just so, I mean, from a science point of view, it's just so fascinating how the plant helps each person in a kind of a different way.


Scott:


Have you heard about the the Strain Genie DNA test? That supposedly tells you the types of cannabis, the types of terpenes and things that are most effective for you based on your DNA?


Jen:

No, I have not heard about that at all. But I do know that the terpenes are definitely part of the medicine here.


Miranda:


Absolutely. Yeah. We just did a little bit of a deep dive into that this week. And yeah, it's fascinating. I think we're both going to get it done.


Scott:


And yeah, we're planning to go through and have the test done for ourselves and talk about, you know, the information that we get because we just found out about these it's like well, wait, that's-


Miranda:


Yeah!


Scott:


Really interesting stuff. You know, you could save a lot of time and money and a lot of awkward, high experiences on, you know, strains that aren't doing what your body wants it to do, you know, potentially, or it could be junk science who knows.


Jen:

It will be interesting because I mean, I think you're exactly right I mean sometimes that's why people you know, the THC can be just make them so nervous and anxious. And that's not right for them. But a whole nother strain or a smaller dosage is all it takes.


Scott:

Right. So one of the things that I like to do is grind up your flower and mix it in with, you know, regular THC flower. I do that all the time. And whenever somebody talks to me about anxiety issues, that's one of the first things that I talked to them about. Are you using CBD in your regimen at all? You know, are you using any ratio delivery, you know, 1:1 or you know, like the Select tincture has up to like 18:1 on some of their tinctures and things like that. You know, what are you using? Besides just are you just walking in a dispensary and buying the highest THC every time? Right? That's why you're freaking out.


Miranda:

Yeah, I'm a I'm a low THC smoker. I don't need like a 30%. Or like I'm happiest with between 15% and 20%.


Jen:


Yes! yes!


Scott:


With good terps.


Miranda:


Yes, with good Terps. Always looking at the Terps Yeah, but yeah, adding CBD into it still makes it better for me.


Jen:


Well, yeah, especially like we're talking about that it's probably balancing some of these terpenes. And that's what's so interesting about it, right. I mean, just to think I love the idea of combining the two I think that there's probably something really to that.


Miranda:


Yeah, I've been getting some of the best sleep of my life with I think it was Snow 1 CBD. And mixing that with a little bit of Captain's Cake.


Scott:

Snow 1 for sure. The Abacus is really a nice strain.


Jen:

Abacus has our highest terpene levels. Yeah. And then the Snow. You know, the CBG is the mother cannabinoid of all of them. That's the precursor to both CBD and THC. So it's it's a very interesting one. Totally.


Abby:

And the Lindoria was the one that you won from the Charlotte's Web Competition. Right?


Jen:


Right. Right. We were selected by Charlotte's Web to grow the Lindoria.


Miranda:


Oh, wow.


Scott:


Wow!


Jen:


And I I also love the honey for its usages of, you know, putting it in different beverages to get that same effect if you if you don't want to be a smoker, or obviously the Sunny C's, you know, I think that and I mean, especially with this new COVID research Hmm. So interesting that, you know, we may not want to decarboxylate totally so that we have some of the acidic form.


Miranda:


100%.


Scott:

It's so nice to talk to people that understand-


Miranda:


The science.


Scott:


Read full articles, because yeah, we just talked about that on last last week's episode. Because so many of our friends you know, you tell people you're doing a cannabis podcast, and everybody wants to help, which is great. And we love that thank you keep sending us suggestions, questions and feedback. But everybody sent us that article, you got to talk about this. You know, weed can cure COVID Weed can stop you from getting covid!


Miranda:


No, that's not how that works.


Scott:


Lots of our friends are heavy, heavy, you know, medicators and have tested for COVID, ya know, so no read the article. But yeah, that's, you know, I guess, like cold pressed hemp juice and different things that I've read. Is that something you you're you all are working on?


Jen:

That that is something that we're very interested in doing from that, though, whole health of the plant, like Abby and I talked about, and we still hope to be doing it is have a juice bar, where we're actually growing the plants on site, because I had talked about to the Maryland Department of Agriculture the year before last of selling the plants to a juice bar to juice. And I said, you know, I'd like to take small plants and and let them juice it fresh for you know, anti cancer benefits were they were showing that to.


Scott:


Yeah.


Jen:


They said no, because then the juice bar would have to have a grow license.


Miranda:


Oh, wow.


So that we you know, we were working on possibly doing that but-


Abby:


The avenues it didn't it didn't happen.


Jen:


But in other words, yes, and I and I also think that it would be very interesting to juice the plant as the progression of the growth cycle, you know, trying from you because we just we didn't have light so we were just growing it with the natural daylight until it's flowered, but I think that there's probably things in the plant that are good for us-


Abby:


The whole step of the way.


Jen:


The whole cycle of the plant.


Miranda:


I mean, I would love to be able to go and buy fan leaves to use in in smoothies and juices even just to like, you know, fry them up and eat them.


Scott:


People use the seeds too, right?


Miranda:


Yeah, seeds are really great. I mean, high protein, high protein. Yeah. So I mean, it's the oil in it is very good. Right.


Scott:


So, you mentioned a little bit about where you got some of the strains. That was one of the questions that I had for you, because people have asked us that in regards to just cannabis generally, like how do these growers get the things that they grow? So I guess with with CBD, it's a little bit different, because it's not as, what it's not scheduled one, obviously. So do you have the ability to just order seeds from anywhere in the world?


Jen:

Um, well, you obviously want to get them from a reputable company, because you don't want to grow something waste all your time growing it and then find out it was illegal.


Miranda:


Right.


Jen:


So, you definitely want to make sure that you're ordering from a reputable company. So the first year, we had all kinds of faulty, I mean, it was just the wild west as far as you couldn't really get seeds. They were $2 a seed, $5 a seed, it was crazy. So we were able to get source, the Denver Cherry Wine from Colorado. And then the Lifter. We actually got from another farmer because the company in Oregon had a minimum order that we weren't going to be able to do that year. And then I got some from another farmer, Frosted Lime, which, you know, was ended up being kind of bunk because it was supposedly feminized seed, obviously, you always want feminized seed, and it wasn't, and so then we had to make sure that it wasn't ruining the rest of our crop. So that was kind of crazy. And then the next year, we were able to source some really good seeds from American Hemp Ventures, which was out in North Carolina, North Carolina also did a lot of early work.


Scott:


Okay.


Jen:


Yeah. And they and they were they, I think, I mean, that was our that was our best best crop as far as highest levels of CBD and terpenes. So and I think, yeah, I got the Abacus from them too, I think I pretty much got all my seeds through them that year. I'm trying to think about it. And then this year, I got some from Oregon and then I bought some from from American Hemp Ventures again.


Scott:

Okay. Have you started doing any of your own kind of cultivation?


Jen:

No, I have not done any genetic crossing or breeding or anything. Just sticking with what we know. You know.


Scott:

If it's not broke don't fix it.


Miranda:


Exactly.


Jen:


Well, I mean, it would be an interesting thing to work on. But I also think it's kind of interesting, the whole history of cannabis that there's been so much crossing that it's hard to get back to maybe some of these early Landrace plants that there's benefits to them that-


Miranda:


1,000,000%!


Jen:


Yeah. They're not necessarily high THC. You know, everything's been bred just pump that THC at that there's probably some other wonderful fact factors to those original plants that we need to explore


Scott:


A lot of those pure sativa is in my experience. Yes.


Miranda:


Especially. Yeah.


Scott:


Yeah. Really nice low, lower THC, but high Terps. And yeah, none of that raceyness that you can get from some of these right, quote, unquote, sativa is now.


Miranda:


Which are just miserable.


Scott:


For I think, a lot of people-


Miranda:


Just because they're just so high in THC.


Jen:


I mean, obviously, when you build your tolerance up that you're going to go towards that. But I think that the medicine of the plant isn't necessarily just that at all, what your body really needs. So we I have a friend that he actually worked with us last year in the harvest that is working on that project, and I don't know, his source, but I know that he's tied with the Dutch in so we know that a lot of the original research was there. That is working on the whole Landrace project. It was a cool move to California. He be a great person. He's very scientific. You guys would probably really enjoy talking with Kai Hoffman, and I'll see if I can put put him in touch with you guys.


Miranda:


We would love that, thank you.


Scott:

That stuff is very interesting to me. And I agree, and it's, you know, I hadn't, I was just thinking of selfishly. What other kinds of cool strains you can come up with, but I really respect that answer that you just gave in that there's something about just, you know, ability shooters that have been developed over who knows how many 100's or 1000's of years at this point.


Jen:

Right, they coexisted with us for all those years, right, the idea that makes it an Egyptian tombs. I mean just shows that the plant has been helping in so many ways.


Scott:

I just read that article went last week or the week before. In the the burial. They basically burn and burn the funeral parlor to just calm people down. Yeah. You know.


Miranda:


As it should be.


Jen:

I mean, kind of a sacred, sacred.


Miranda:


It is sacred medicine.


Scott:


There's no kind of about it. Yeah. I mean, I think I think we're past the point of having to apologize for speaking truth about cannabis. Right. At least. I think we all hope we are.


Miranda:


I know we are.


Scott:


Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we get together every week and speak to as many people that will listen about it. So yeah, we're totally cool with it at this point.


Jen:


Oh, and, you know, thanks for doing the good work, because I think that's what it takes us for people just to normalize it. And Abby, and I certainly felt the same way about it.


Scott:

And you know, we talked about hopeful Senator Gary Chambers Jr. on our episode last week, the guy that smoke the blunt, you know, they had to talk about social justice and, and right, that's what it's all about is ending the stigma, right destigmatizing it, you know, demystifying it. Yeah, it's all about education and exposure. And, I mean, who do you know that once they know the truth about cannabis, and that doesn't mean it's for everybody to use. But it also means that it's not going to, you know, ruin your life or, you know, turn you into this lazy, you know, do nothing person because you choose to use it as part of your overall health strategy. Yeah.


Miranda:


Right, and also reforming those communities that were totally torn apart by the war on drugs.


Scott:


Right. That's a big deal for us. Yeah, actually, and something that we talk about a lot. So...


Jen:

Abby's been quite involved with all that work.


Miranda:


Awesome.


Jen:


And helping with the legislature trying to get things happening here. Very connected.


Abby:

In my opinion, a lot easier said than done. And it's a big effort. But I like to see how how it's actually going to affect people. And the end result instead of just being a big show.


Miranda:


Yeah, it's worth it. It's worth the fight.


Scott:

Right. Yeah. The Wink wink, right. I mean, that's what kind of drives the cannabis industry sometimes is, you know, we're all having this party while this other stuff is still going on. Right. And it's, you know, it's not cool.


Abby:

No, not one bit, and again, people like to act like they're doing something, but if you really dig in, there's not much behind it. So it's asking questions.


Scott:

Yeah. Well, Abby, could you just tell us how you got involved with the Sunny C's and how that whole brand and and turning, you know, this amazing flower into that product product came about?


Abby:

Um, so back in 2015, when medical cannabis came to Maryland, I have a farmers market in downtown Annapolis that I've had for actually 10 years now. And 2015, I decided that I wanted to dive into medical cannabis. So I actually went to Jen at that point, and asked her if she wanted to work with me, as a as a farmer, and she, at the time was not, she was like, you know, I'll consult for you, and I'll help you. But you know, you're the perfect age for that, you know, what I'm gonna dive in right now, but I will help you know, consult with you and help you with it. But, uh, but wasn't quite ready at the time, thinking that it was almost too late at that time, which is funny because it was only just the beginning. And then in 2017, I guess it was when Maryland decided the extra diversity licenses, went back to her and said, Alright, are you ready again yet? And she said yes. So we that's why we put together the passion project. And we put together a team to go after license to be able to apply for the Federal DEA registration. But I've actually worked for Mary Med Inc since 2015. When I did start to dive into medical cannabis, I ended up working with Kind Therapeutics and Mary Med Inc., which was a one of the winners for a vertical license in Maryland. So I was fortunate to work with them at the time and I've been with them since then. So I have done a little bit of everything in Maryland just getting the operations going since I started with them the very beginning. So we kind of you know, got to know all the regulators got to know all the industry, built relationships, put together the team for the company here really started getting everything going. sold our first products but RSO was our very first product market, which is a lot of fun. This is I saw how much we were helping people I really really got more passionate about it as a whole. I was always passionate about the plant but once I saw the real magic that could happen and how much it could affect people's lifestyles and and really helping people in a different way than I ever thought possible. It really sparked a lot more interest to me. So that's when I started really getting to work about things. And the whole research idea came about. And unfortunately, we couldn't get that part of things done. But we didn't give up and kept moving forward. And that's when she started growing the hemp. And once we kind of found out that this hemp was testing the highest testing in the country, I was never personally a CBD person, I was always a high THC person. But once we kind of figured out what she had and what she was growing, and we realized how amazing it was, we started taking that full spectrum oil and put it into products. And the the person was going to be these gummies with my produce in it, it was gonna be a mix of my produce, but her oil and making it something amazing, which is still going to be happening. But to build a brand. And to build a product, you have to have something that's really, really, really tasty and really good. And our fruit is amazing. But a gummy, you needed a little, we needed to go a little bit more-


Jen:

We haven't got the recipe perfect. But yeah, the fresh concentrated part of this-


Abby:

This to be completely organic, the product didn't taste as good as we wanted it to taste. So we had to, you know, do we have to do a line of gummies, that it's not organic, to start, and then we will have organic line coming out as well. Yes, it's a we have both been in business for a very long time. Jen and I are both women owned businesses and small business women in Maryland. And we know that we have to do to get the product out there and to get people to really be happy to try it. But the feedback that we're getting as soon as it tries that once they love it. And that's when we'll be able to really expand and do more organic lines and different skews and things that we really want to do, which is exciting. But it's been a great hit. So far. Again, I've had people, a teacher out in Oregon, who Oregon, as we know, has all of the medicine. And they've been, you know, first up in this whole country here. She is a teacher out there in their 50's and has debilitating arthritis, and has two children and can't really function at all. And she happened to try this randomly because my college roommate is married to her brother, and she was visiting. So they have some Sunny C's on the table and you have to try one and she had never had anything help her like that before. So she's been ordering them to Oregon, as her daily lifestyle kind of thing to help her live her days, which is really exciting. To me, that was one of our biggest motivators in the beginning. And then it's just grown since then. So it's been a lot of fun. And I love working with Jen. And I love helping patients in Maryland. And now we're just starting to expand. So it's really getting a lot of fun.


Scott:


Yeah, you partially answered my follow up. Are there additional products that you're working on?


Abby:

Yes, there are. Yes, right now our our main gummy right now it is gluten free, and it is you know, fat free and but it's not exactly, it's not organic, not quite where we want it to be quite yet. So we will have some other lines coming out shortly.


Scott:

You do have some sugar free options, though, don't you?


Abby:

Yeah, yes, we do have a sugar free out.


Scott:


Yeah, cuz I know that's, you know, through budtending. You know, a lot of people that that are looking for medical relief through edibles have restrictive diets, or you know, just things that they prefer not to use. So having that sugar free option, there are so few in Maryland.


Abby:

I'm just gonna say there's not a lot out there. And especially with cancer, you're tends to be you know, that's one of the tricky things that we got, we're working on a larger sugar free product line, and then some even better options as well.


Scott:

And you just mentioned that obviously, you're shipping to your friend out there. So your products are available to ship. That's true for the flower as well, Jen?


Jen:

We have an online store. I think there's six or seven states that we're not allowed to ship to but anywhere else in the country. Yeah.



Scott:


Okay! Very cool. Well, yeah, ladies, if you would please plug yourselves, tell them, tell them where to find you. Tell them, tell them where they go to get the good stuff.


Jen:

We've got a Wix store, which is not easy to find. I did have a square site but they shut me down because of-


Miranda:


The cannabis and the hemp?


Jen:


Well, you're not allowed to make any claims about it and when I said to them, um, I'm not making any claims. I even went back through and looked at all my hashtags, you know, just to make sure they sent me the quote that I used that they said was that my CBD lip balm was moisturizing.


All:


[laughter]


Jen:


Are you kidding me? I mean, even if it wasn't CBD lip balm, it would be moisturizing.


Miranda:


I had this issue when I was working; I'm an aromatherapist, and I was working in an aromatherapy shop. And at the time I was setting up their Squarespace and I had so many issues because of the words: relaxing, moisturizing. Yeah. Yeah, it's like come on, how do you want me to describe this?


Jen:

Ridiculous. So then I had to then I tried to do Shopify and Shopify, you can't sell any flower you can only sell topicals.


Miranda:


Right.


Jen:


So then now I'm on Wix which is great, except that I did not buy my own domain. So I mean, is a Wix site. So it's, it's very hard to find. And of course, my Square store still shows up if people Google. So it's kind of stupid. It's like they click there, they go through all the process, and then they can't get it. If you go to my Instagram page or my Google listing for the farm, I have the store listed as the website. And that's pretty much the only way you can find it.


Abby:


Yeah, we're working on these things.


Jen:


But obviously, you know, my retailers are my main outlets. And you know, I also at this stage, you know, I feel like Abby's Sunny C's are the real winning product. I mean, obviously, a lot of people like to smoke flower. I think that that's an important part of the medicine. But I'm really all in on promoting the Sunny C's at this point, because I think that's a really great way. And we've seen that it's helping a lot of people, it's an easy way to dose compared to say, the tinctures which I also have, but you know, we all know that tinctures don't taste great. People aren't as excited about that. I mean, if you're really hurting, you're willing to use them. But it's hard to keep people using them regularly if it doesn't taste good, right. And I, you know, at this point, I feel like the winning product is our flower and the Sunny C's.


Abby:

And so this obviously, is yes, we've worked really hard on making sure that we had good texture, good taste, and good effects. And a lot of gummies out there, our chews are only have one or two of the three. And it's really hard to hit all three of them. So I'm really excited about our Sunny C's, because we really do the taste is amazing, the quality and the texture is really great. And then the effects are even better. So I'm really excited about what we're doing here. I have been very fortunate. And since I do have a square site that I've been so far lucky with using and it's because it's under my produce market. So since we had already have I've already had my produce market for 10 years now, we kind of had put that on square last year and I've been selling the Sunny C's under the Diehl's produce website so it Diehl's Produce Annapolis dot square dot site. And that's D-I-E-H-L-S Produce Annapolis. That's our website and you can use Apple Pay, pay with your credit cards and everything you like right on there. And we're actually also have a few of Jen's products on that site as well. Just because of all these issues we are kind of slowly putting on different products because we want to make sure not to draw too much attention and have it shut down because, again, square is, you know, one of the ones that are a little trickier at the moment it has been great and it's been working well and we can ship to you and have it to you in just a few days. So it's been it's been going well so far. Fingers crossed. I have an Instagram as well. And the the website is on our Instagram in the bio and that's SunnyCBDs on Instagram and then we've got a LinkedIn as well. Sunny C's LinkedIn but the Instagram and the Diehl's Produce square site are the are the two big ones.


Scott:

Excellent, and we'll link to all this stuff obviously as well.


Miranda:

And we can we can find your stuff, Jen at Hummingbird Farms on Instagram?


Jen:


Hummingbird Farms Botanicals.


Miranda:


Hummingbird Farms Botanicals on Instagram. Yes. And then if you need to Google you, Hummingbird Farms.


Jen:


Hummingbird Farms, right, right. Just Hummingbird Farms, like the tomato farm was and we just sold the farm. So I'm kind of still getting myself sorted out. But like I said, I'm kind of throwing my wagon in with Abby and because I really believe in the Sunny C's. And that's, you know, I think that's it's good medicine. And I think we're going to reach a lot of people that way. And I think that it makes it, what I've really appreciated working with Abby is that she's educated a lot of people she's so passionate about it, and she's connected with the legislature, educating those people I think we're really making some progress here in the state of Maryland and she's working in a lot of other states as well helping her other company. But I think that there's a lot of potential with these hemp chews.


Miranda:


Oh for sure. I mean it's just like you both have amazing product and that's one of the reasons why we sought you out to have you on.


Abby:

Thank you guys, it's all for her I'm gonna say this the Sunny C's are only as good as this because of her oil it's there's a million CBD products out there that don't do much for you and hers is different. It's really amazing. I I personally like pulled out my back because I they're gonna have a produce market we sell Christmas trees and I decide to do too much physical work all the time and pulled out my back over the last couple months ago and I like my employees just like me they like have some Sunny C's and I eat two of them and like it's just amazing how much better you feel. It's incredible. And I started eating my own mess you know, taking my own medicine and it's just amazing. It's great. So it's become my daily routine now which I am I got I never was a CBD person until this and I just give Jen credit because she's doing an incredible job. It's amazing. I know, it's even funny like the as we said that she won the Charlotte's Web competition even. That wasn't even her best strains, she went out and found better strains and has had more success with strains that she's been on her own, not just what's supposed to be the best, you know, kind of thing. So it's been really incredible to see.


Scott:

Now, are the new limits on the flower going to affect the oil? Or are we still able to kind of, well, like, say, after the fact to concentrate? Right.


Jen:

Right? Well, I the flower we grew this year where we were trying to see if we could meet the limit. It's equivalent to the flower we grew the first year. Okay, in levels of CBD. That's what we're making the gummies out of right now.


Scott:


Excellent.


Jen:


I think that we're going to be in good shape. But what I'm getting at is that the whole, right, everybody growing it, everybody's levels are going to be so much level, lower trying to meet that, that rule. So it's, you know, we've got, we've got something to work with for sure. But we need to keep working on this whole issue. But you know, I just also say for your listeners, something that just just kind of give a little more description of how I feel, how the CBD works for, whether it's anxiety, pain, your issues that you have that it seems to help is that, you know, you think about like what Abby's talking about pulling your back out. And actually my husband used our tinctures quite a bit to help him the last couple years just to keep the loading the tomatoes, is that you know, when you're in pain, whether it's emotional, or physical, that is in the front of your mind all the time, you're thinking, Oh, I hurt, I hurt and in my gut is this my new reality. And then you take the CBD, or you smoke some and all of a sudden, it fades from being in the front of your mind. It's not that the problem is necessarily gone, but it's not paramount in your mind. And with research we'll find out also is that we know that it's supposed to help with inflammation. So with prolonged use, it may actually be curative for some things. So that's it, I'm just, you know, I'm actually hoping that this popularity this month, you know, like last week, because all of the word about COVID. Maybe opens more people's eyes to the potential of the plant, and we'll get some of this other work done that we really know that it can help we already know because people are feeling the effects of it.


Miranda:


Right.


Jen:


Or, you know, the, the CBDa and CBGa in the petri dish is what they were.


Scott:


Right.


Miranda:


Right.


Jen:


Was, isn't real life and bodies. But we know in our bodies where we've all been trying these products, that there is definitely something else going on. And let's quantify it, you know.


Scott:


Amen.


Miranda:


Yeah, we're here for it.


Scott:

Oh, well, thank you again, so much. You know, for the work that you're doing-


Miranda:


For taking the time out of your day.


Abby:


Yeah, and I want to say one more thing I totally forgot that I should have said to one more product it's not and it won't be a chew but it's actually a capsule. So my dad personally is battling cancer right now and he can't take the Sunny C's because of sugar in it and our sugar free line we do have it that's not available at this minute. So we wanted I wanted also just to have a capsule that was really just oil with nothing else and no other ingredients just a really give direct medicine to the people that really needed it to see how that could go, so we're having those come out as long as as well as what was it? What was the other one?


Jen:


The other was with Tumeric.


Abby:


Yes, Tumeric in it as well to see because we've heard some some good benefits about that. So we do have a couple of capsules coming out with oil that we're excited to see.


Jen:

We're working with our lab on the Eastern Shore that's doing that that.


Abby:

So, that should be coming out.


Scott:


what kind of dosages are we talking about for those?


Abby:

30 milligrams and 50 milligrams.


Miranda:


Right on!


Scott:


Fantastic


Abby:


Yeah, just launched a new 50 milligrams Sunny C's gummy as well.


Scott:

No, I've only seen the the 20's and now the we've got I've seen the five packs of the 10's available as well.


Abby:

We've got 5 packs of the 20's that are minis and then we've also got a large 50 as well that just came out.


Scott:

yeah the 20 for me seems to be kind of the perfect dose you know when when I really want immediate you know and I really it faster than any THC edible that I use for some reason the Sunny C's you know it's like 20-30 minutes tops. And I always tell people I feel like I just meditated for 30 minutes, like did you, like I really like it's just weight off the shoulders like clear mind like you said.


Jen:

It moves it away from that worry.


Scott:

Right to block out or focus past maybe is a better way to put it. You know, one of the other things that I hate to I'm not trying to keep you longer, but I did want to ask any specific issues being women in the industry because that is, you know, obviously we are, my co-host is a woman.


Abby:


That's another conversation for another time.


Scott:


Ya know what, that is that that's totally fine we can totally have you come back and talk women in the industry, not about CBD in particular we would love to do that.


Abby:

It is extremely challenging. And unfortunately, I wish it wasn't so much but it is. But we like to challenge so here we are.


Scott:

If you ever want new exposure for a product or you know, a repost on something to amplify a message just to huge fans here. And we hope that our listeners will become fans of yours as well and go online and order some products. Yeah, try them out yourself.


Miranda:


Get some good medicine.


Scott:


Yeah, check it out, you know, because we are both firm believers. And it's because of these products that we became CBD believers, at least me personally. So...


Miranda:

I've smoked a lot of CBDs and taken a lot of quote unquote CBD gummies. And honestly, you guys have hit the nail on the head. You're making homeruns and I could go on with more analogies, but great stuff. I mean, it's really just the best stuff on the market.


Jen:


And we're so grateful to the plant, right? I mean, really, that we now we're finding out what it can do for us and look forward to more.


Abby:

Yes, thank you so much you guys. Thank you.


Scott:

We hope to see it either a Spark Event or something else in the near future. And yeah, thanks again be well!


Abby and Jen:

Thank you guys!


Scott:

Alrighty, oh, we hope you enjoyed hearing from the ladies as much as we enjoyed interviewing them! It was super educational for us, and we hope you learned a lot and again recommend and, you know, highly encourage you to check out their products for yourself.


Miranda:


Absolutely! Really good medicine again...


Scott:


Phenomenal medicine, absolutely! And you know, ladies that are doing good work in the industry as well as the cool products that they're making. So yeah, here we are at Black History Month.


Miranda:


Yeah, Happy Black History Month!


Scott:


As you all know, we like to talk about, you know, how this cannabis plant and how this industry is shaping up in regards to the people it's affected in the past and certainly, you know, this month will be no different. For this next episode, we've got a couple interesting things we'll be highlighting for you.


Miranda:


Yeah, we've got some strains that are coming through. We've got some products that we've ordered from some Black-owned businesses that we'd like to highlight. And some other amazing things that we've purchased. [Laughs]


Scott:


Yeah, we're gonna tell you about fun stuff.


Miranda:


Yeah, it'sgonna be a fun review.


Scott:


If you have any questions from this CBD interview or, you know, anything else, please, of course, keep those coming in. You know, we're on all major platforms, even the one that Neil Young isn't. But yeah, we encourage you to find us on whatever platform suits your political leanings and listening style best. You know, Apple Music, Amazon, all that good stuff. We're out there, please, you know, like, friend, follow on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, all that good stuff. You probably know the names by now but I am @YourCannabisCoach --


Miranda:


-- and I am @OurLadyofMaryJane.


Scott:


Yeah, so we're out there. We'll be back next week. And yeah, take care of each other and be well!


Miranda:


Be kind


[MUSIC: "Atomic Dog" by George Clinton]


Scott:


Ooooh, okay. Cool.




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